24 April 2008 @ 03:24 pm
 
So, in the continuing fallout from boobiegate, I responded to a point in [info]drownedinink's post. On further reflection, my point was based on an unexamined assumption on my part. So I'd like to examine it.

I'm not limiting this to my sex-filter, because I'm not, but if you don't think you'd like to participate or read the results of a poll discussing body parts, don't click on the cut, okay?


I'll try to word this poll as carefully as I can. And, of course, if it makes you uncomfortable to participate, don't participate.

To be clear, what I'm asking in the first three questions is for the women who read this to rank their breasts, buttocks, and genitals in order from most private to least private. In the fourth, I'm asking you to qualitatively compare your feelings about your breasts being touched with your feelings about touching various male body parts, and in the fifth, I'm asking you to tell me how closely you think those two things match up.

Poll #1176555 FOR SCIENCE
Open to: All, results viewable to: None

I am a woman, and, among breasts, buttocks, and genitals, I would rank my breasts...

most private.
1 (2.3%)

second-most private.
28 (63.6%)

least private.
10 (22.7%)

I'm not a woman, but I like to click buttons.
5 (11.4%)

I am a woman, and, among breasts, buttocks, and genitals, I would rank my buttocks...

most private.
1 (2.3%)

second-most private.
10 (22.7%)

least private.
28 (63.6%)

I'm not a woman, but I like to click buttons.
5 (11.4%)

I am a woman, and, among breasts, buttocks, and genitals, I would rank my genitals...

most private.
39 (88.6%)

second-most private.
0 (0.0%)

least private.
0 (0.0%)

I'm not a woman, but I like to click buttons.
5 (11.4%)

I am a woman at least sometimes interested in men, and, in level of privacy, intimacy, and sexual suggestion (not sexual feeling), I would say that touching my breasts is most analogous to...

touching a man's chest
6 (14.0%)

touching a man's buttocks
16 (37.2%)

touching a man's genitals
17 (39.5%)

I'm not a woman who is at least sometimes interested in men, but I like to click buttons.
4 (9.3%)

As a follow-up to question 4, with "1" meaning "I don't really think they're at all similar but you made me pick something" and 10 being "I'd say they're pretty much exactly the same in my mind," how similar in level of privacy, intimacy, and sexual suggestion would you say touching your breasts is to the option you chose?

Mean: 4.90 Median: 4 Std. Dev 2.37
1 4 (10.3%)
2 1 (2.6%)
3 9 (23.1%)
4 6 (15.4%)
5 3 (7.7%)
6 2 (5.1%)
7 6 (15.4%)
8 7 (17.9%)
9 1 (2.6%)
10 0 (0.0%)

Mostly unrelated bonus question on which EVERYONE can play: My preferred term for a woman's genitalia is...

Mostly unrelated bonus question on which EVERYONE can play: My preferred term for a man's genitalia is...



 
 
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Entry-Level Position[info]pkthunder on April 24th, 2008 09:56 pm (UTC)
I am sad I cannot see the possible responses for the last two questions.
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 24th, 2008 09:57 pm (UTC)
Maybe I'll post highlights later, but I didn't want to make those two questions, especially, public.
Entry-Level Position[info]pkthunder on April 24th, 2008 10:26 pm (UTC)
Ok. There's always urbandictionary.com if I want more ideas.
like a whispering in dark streets[info]flamingjune07 on April 24th, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC)
I've been arguing some about this stuff elsewhere (mostly sammka's lj I guess) and I've been frustrated that people are looking for some kind of analogous situation for men -- there are certainly intimate parts of men and such, but I don't think there's any kind of really analogous situation, since the problem isn't really how sexual a body part is in and of itself but rather a problem related to the position of women in society as sexual "supply" to men's "demand." Thus, it's not like saying "Well I let the women grab my ass" or whatever makes it a completely equal playing field. But that's just my 2c and I know you weren't keen on hearing about this debate anyway.
Nerdy Girl: constant vigilance[info]bookgrrrl on April 24th, 2008 10:07 pm (UTC)
Thanks for saying this so well. Consider it cosigned.
It rhymes with "catastrophe"[info]coffeeinhell on April 24th, 2008 10:08 pm (UTC)
What she said. I was unable to choose an answer, because there wasn't one that really applies. On the "private" scale. breasts fall somewhere between genitals and buttocks, and there really isn't anything that's analogous for men.
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 24th, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
That's why I included the scale question.
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 24th, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
No, I understand that. But that's a point separate from what I'm trying to determine here--this is less about "is touching somebody's breasts wrong" and more about "what do you think it's most like."
like a whispering in dark streets[info]flamingjune07 on April 24th, 2008 10:12 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and what I was trying to say at least is that that very question is problematic, insofar as there isn't anything that it's like for men, because our position as women in society is key for what it's like.
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 24th, 2008 10:32 pm (UTC)
Again, I understand what you're saying. I'm not asking what it's like generally, but what you think it's most like.

And to explain further, I'm not asking this, necessarily, in the context of the boobiegate posts, but, rather, somewhat more in the context of "I am with someone I'm attracted to, and these are my feelings in that situation." I'm very aware that even in that situation there are qualitative differences, but I'm looking for at least a rough analogy.

Edited at 2008-04-24 10:38 pm (UTC)
Paul[info]symposiarch on April 24th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
Which type of apples are tangerines most like:

a. Macintosh
b. Braeburn
c. Granny Smith
d. Yellow Delicious
like a whispering in dark streets[info]flamingjune07 on April 24th, 2008 11:04 pm (UTC)
Haha, thank you, that is much better than the boringly serious reply I was going to give.
Paul[info]symposiarch on April 24th, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)
I've already given him quite a few boringly serious replies on this subject, I figured I'd mix it up a bit. :D
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 24th, 2008 11:18 pm (UTC)
Ha.
full of vacuum[info]jereeza on April 25th, 2008 01:20 am (UTC)
Ace.
Baroness Elvira Smufnuffin[info]elvie on April 25th, 2008 08:12 am (UTC)
*applauds*
this body's a temple of doom[info]saritah on April 24th, 2008 10:32 pm (UTC)
Very well said.
Hard G: boobs[info]gilbertbee on April 24th, 2008 10:21 pm (UTC)
There isn't a part of a man's body that can be equated with breasts.

The differences start early. At puberty, boys don't have such a visible sign of hormonal changes in the body. None of my male friends in school ever had a girl walk by and just randomly reach out and grab a testicle. I, on MANY occasions, would be walking down the hall and have someone grab or poke a boob. Boys/men don't have a body part that is on display whether or not they want it to be.

Men also don't get to experience breast feeding.

I could go on and on.
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 24th, 2008 10:31 pm (UTC)
Boys/men don't have a body part that is on display whether or not they want it to be.

You've never had an erection at the public pool.
Sam[info]lalato on April 24th, 2008 10:41 pm (UTC)
Or had an erection when the teacher calls you up to the front of the class.








Awkward...
Learn to love me, assemble the ways...: Bulging Eyes & Teeth[info]geah on April 25th, 2008 04:19 am (UTC)
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee: haha[info]mcsnee on April 25th, 2008 05:05 am (UTC)
LOL. Like, for real.
Paul[info]symposiarch on April 24th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
Neither have I. I don't think there are a many women who will claim their breasts have never been on display.
Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 24th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
You've never, ever had an erection in a situation where it was uncomfortably on display? I used the public pool only because it's the most obviously revealing situation, but as [info]lalato pointed out, there are plenty of others, too.

I'm not suggesting here that there's anything like a direct analogy, and [info]gilbertbee's points are well taken, but it's silly to claim that men don't ever have a body part on display whether or not they want it to be.
Paul[info]symposiarch on April 24th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
I don't recall ever having an erection at an embarrassing time, not even as a hormone-addled teenager. My penis rides close to my body, so when it's erect and semi-erect, it's a bulge, not a tent. I'm not big on swimming pools anyway.
Hard G[info]gilbertbee on April 25th, 2008 06:32 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I was going to make some Poker related joke about seeing and raising, but my Nyquil addled brain will not allow it to form into a coherent comment.

That being said...Maybe if you walked around with an ever present erection, it would be the same. In that case, I'd advise you to seek medical attention.
laura_holt_pi: perfect men 1[info]laura_holt_pi on April 25th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)
Again we get a fascinating glimpse into your sordid psyche. I can honestly say I have never seen any man get an erection at a swimming pool. Consider the possibility that it's just you.

Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 25th, 2008 09:37 pm (UTC)
I can honestly say I have never seen any man get an erection at a swimming pool.

Given that it's an involuntary reaction often to visual stimuli, consider the possibility that it's just you.
i <3 areolas: well aren't you an attention whore[info]cynica on April 25th, 2008 10:04 pm (UTC)
I laughed heartily.
The gallant pig.: Green fairy.[info]missrachael on April 24th, 2008 11:47 pm (UTC)
A related story
Before my sister came out to visit last year, I started a betting pool among my friends (a couple of whom had never met her, some who know her fairly well) about her cup size. When we all went out to dinner upon her arrival, this led to a lot of boob squeezing on the part of those of us who were not squeamish about such things. There was no alcohol involved, and we were in a family(ish) restaurant. Conversely, I think there would need to be some serious drinking beforehand if we were going to grab her vagina in a public place, and we'd probably get some dirty looks at the very least.
full of vacuum[info]jereeza on April 25th, 2008 01:18 am (UTC)
About the male vs female parts: good question. I'd say naturally that only genitalia - genitalia and buttocks - buttocks match, but since we sexualise women's chests but not the men's, and I mean really sexualise them (I'm still boggling over the obsession with, and censorship of nipples in the US, despite cries of 'tis ain't so' by my friendslist), I'd have to say women's breasts align more with the more sexualised of men's parts, ie the genitalia.

Re the last two: I replied in my own language; if I had to say it in an English conversation... I'd go with punani and carajo, of all things. OK, sorry, English: vag and cock.
laura_holt_pi: perfect men 1[info]laura_holt_pi on April 25th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
Isn't this just a way to get women to talk dirty to you?

Miggity-zick Sniggity-zee[info]mcsnee on April 25th, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
Yes. Obviously. It's because I'm a sad little man with no social life and I spend 18 hours every day in a dark room masturbating in front of the computer.